newt gingrich had great moments. mitt romney was pretty solid throughout. >> bill: who was that -- >> your estimation that the governor can hold his own against the pretty good debater, president obama? >> he had a couple weak moments, $10,000 and i'm running for office. he said some things that people said, what? but in 25 debates, you are going say some things. this time he has three debates and stakes are much higher so i expect them to be a little more fine tuned. >> bill: when he got annoyed after he got his butt kicked, he was better. >> he hired a new debate coach. then, after that guy all this attention for being so good and making a difference in the romney camp, now he is off the campaign. this guy has helped everybody. i'm trying to remember his name. >> bill: i think we should call him to come in next week. >> he is a republican guru that helps a lot of candidates do well. >> bill: if you are advising the governor and this is hypothetical, you say how aggressive does he have to be? as we talked about at t